Clare Queen(The Carrick at Cameron House) and Karyn left today for Bangalore. Clare is the only Scottish Professional taking part in the Indian Ladies Masters (the first Ladies European Tour event on the sub-continent) from 5th to 8th December.
Amateurs, Kylie Walker (Buchanan Castle) and Michel Thomson (McDonald Ellon) will be joining Clare.
Saturday, December 01, 2007
Links to old Photograph Albums
Looking for some old photos then here are some links Old Photo Albums from your Webmaster
Other Photographs links plus some videos will be found at this link Old RLCGA Photograph Page
HERE ARE SOME VIDEOS TAKEN BY YOUR WEBMASTER -- make sure rlcga is in the search box
Other Photographs links plus some videos will be found at this link Old RLCGA Photograph Page
HERE ARE SOME VIDEOS TAKEN BY YOUR WEBMASTER -- make sure rlcga is in the search box
Friday, November 23, 2007
The Rules of Golf 2008 - 2011
The R & A and the United States Golf Association have worked closely for more than fifty years to produce a uniform code of rules so that wherever golf is played the same laws apply. Every four years these two governing bodies, after consultation with golf authorities worldwide, agree any changes that they consider will make the Rules of Golf fairer and easier to understand.
New rules come into force on 1st January 2008. Four million copies of the ‘Rules of Golf’, sponsored by Rolex, will be printed in English. The new rules will also be printed, under licence, in twenty-five other languages. Rule books will be distributed free of charge to golf clubs and may be ordered on the R&A Website
‘Decisions on the Rules of Golf 2006 – 2007’ becomes obsolete and is replaced by the new 2008 – 2009 edition. This book is invaluable not only for Rules Officials but also for all those involved in the administration of the game (e.g. club committees). It may be purchased from the above website or from high street or on-line booksellers.
Many members will have read in the press recently that there are to be changes to 28 of the 34 rules but there is no cause for alarm. ‘Rules of Golf 2008 –2011’ contains a new ‘Quick Guide to the Rules of Golf". This is excellent and should certainly make players feel more at ease with their rule books. Many rules have simply been re-worded in order to make them easier to understand. One example is the term ‘reasonable evidence’ that was used previously used in several rules. This was difficult to interpret and has been changed to ‘known or virtually certain’ which is much clearer.
One significant change relates to hazards. Until now the rules did not giver a player the opportunity to lift a ball from a hazard in order to identify it and therefore there was no penalty for playing a wrong ball either from a bunker or from a water hazard. The restriction on identifying a ball in a hazard has been removed (Rule 12 – 2) and the exemption from penalty for playing a wrong ball from a bunker or water hazard has also been removed (Rule 15 – 3). The result is that the penalty for playing a wrong ball anywhere on the course is now loss of hole in match play or a two stroke penalty in stroke play. In stroke play the mistake must of course be corrected in order to avoid disqualification.
Several other changes are to penalties rather than to actual rules and in every case the change favours the player. When a ball in motion is stopped or deflected by the player, her partner, or either of their caddies or equipment the penalty has been reduced from loss of hole in match play and a two stroke penalty in stroke play to one stroke in either form of play (Rule 19 – 2). This is a very welcome change. Many members will have been in the situation where the ball re-bounds off the face of a bunker and it is impossible to move quickly enough to avoid being struck by it!
Until now a flagstick that had been removed and placed on the ground was not allowed to be moved whilst a ball was in motion. This left players in a ‘catch 22’ situation. Moving the flagstick in case a ball in motion struck it incurred a penalty under one rule (Rule 1- 2). Leaving it on the ground to be struck by the ball incurred a penalty under another rule (Rule 17 – 3). This situation has been resolved. A flagstick, whether attended, removed or held up may now be moved when a ball is in motion (Rule 24 – 1).
On the putting green it is sometimes very difficult to avoid standing on another player’s line without standing astride the line of one’s own putt which is of course not allowed (Rule 16 –1e). An ‘exception’ to this rule has been added to allow inadvertent standing astride the line of putt or doing so in order to avoid another player’s line.
The penalty for carrying, but not using, a non-conforming club has been reduced from disqualification to, in stroke play, a penalty of two strokes per hole at which a breach occurred, with a maximum penalty of four strokes per round. In match play the state of the match is adjusted by one hole for each hole at which a breach occurred with a maximum penalty of two holes per round (Rule 4 – 1). This is now the same penalty as that for carrying more than fourteen clubs (Rule 4 – 4).
The penalty for using a non-conforming club remains disqualification. The R & A announced four years ago that from 1st January 2008 all drivers must have a conforming clubhead and ensured that this was well publicised. Sufficient warning was given to allow players plenty of time to check and, if necessary, change their drivers. This rule applies to all golfers of all abilities and in all forms of play. The required specifications are set out in Appendix II, 5c of the new rule book and detailed lists of conforming and non-conforming driver heads may be found on the R & A website. In club golf it is the responsibility of each player to check that her equipment conforms to the Rules of Golf. Players taking part in County or National events should also check as to whether the Conditions of Competition include the Driving Club Condition. If so any driver used must be on the R & A’s ‘List of Conforming Driver Heads’. For more detailed information refer to the R & A website and in particular their ‘Frequently asked questions’ on this topic.
Space does not permit me to mention, let alone explain, every single rule change but I have highlighted those most likely to crop up in the normal course of play. For more detailed information refer to the R & A website and to ‘Principle Changes introduced in the 2008 code’ which you will find on page 6 in your new rule book. Always remember that the Rules of Golf exist to make the game fair for all players. The more familiar you become with the rules the more you will enjoy your golf.
Jenny McGahan
R & A qualified Rules Official
November 2007
Thanks Jenny for all the information
New rules come into force on 1st January 2008. Four million copies of the ‘Rules of Golf’, sponsored by Rolex, will be printed in English. The new rules will also be printed, under licence, in twenty-five other languages. Rule books will be distributed free of charge to golf clubs and may be ordered on the R&A Website
‘Decisions on the Rules of Golf 2006 – 2007’ becomes obsolete and is replaced by the new 2008 – 2009 edition. This book is invaluable not only for Rules Officials but also for all those involved in the administration of the game (e.g. club committees). It may be purchased from the above website or from high street or on-line booksellers.
Many members will have read in the press recently that there are to be changes to 28 of the 34 rules but there is no cause for alarm. ‘Rules of Golf 2008 –2011’ contains a new ‘Quick Guide to the Rules of Golf". This is excellent and should certainly make players feel more at ease with their rule books. Many rules have simply been re-worded in order to make them easier to understand. One example is the term ‘reasonable evidence’ that was used previously used in several rules. This was difficult to interpret and has been changed to ‘known or virtually certain’ which is much clearer.
One significant change relates to hazards. Until now the rules did not giver a player the opportunity to lift a ball from a hazard in order to identify it and therefore there was no penalty for playing a wrong ball either from a bunker or from a water hazard. The restriction on identifying a ball in a hazard has been removed (Rule 12 – 2) and the exemption from penalty for playing a wrong ball from a bunker or water hazard has also been removed (Rule 15 – 3). The result is that the penalty for playing a wrong ball anywhere on the course is now loss of hole in match play or a two stroke penalty in stroke play. In stroke play the mistake must of course be corrected in order to avoid disqualification.
Several other changes are to penalties rather than to actual rules and in every case the change favours the player. When a ball in motion is stopped or deflected by the player, her partner, or either of their caddies or equipment the penalty has been reduced from loss of hole in match play and a two stroke penalty in stroke play to one stroke in either form of play (Rule 19 – 2). This is a very welcome change. Many members will have been in the situation where the ball re-bounds off the face of a bunker and it is impossible to move quickly enough to avoid being struck by it!
Until now a flagstick that had been removed and placed on the ground was not allowed to be moved whilst a ball was in motion. This left players in a ‘catch 22’ situation. Moving the flagstick in case a ball in motion struck it incurred a penalty under one rule (Rule 1- 2). Leaving it on the ground to be struck by the ball incurred a penalty under another rule (Rule 17 – 3). This situation has been resolved. A flagstick, whether attended, removed or held up may now be moved when a ball is in motion (Rule 24 – 1).
On the putting green it is sometimes very difficult to avoid standing on another player’s line without standing astride the line of one’s own putt which is of course not allowed (Rule 16 –1e). An ‘exception’ to this rule has been added to allow inadvertent standing astride the line of putt or doing so in order to avoid another player’s line.
The penalty for carrying, but not using, a non-conforming club has been reduced from disqualification to, in stroke play, a penalty of two strokes per hole at which a breach occurred, with a maximum penalty of four strokes per round. In match play the state of the match is adjusted by one hole for each hole at which a breach occurred with a maximum penalty of two holes per round (Rule 4 – 1). This is now the same penalty as that for carrying more than fourteen clubs (Rule 4 – 4).
The penalty for using a non-conforming club remains disqualification. The R & A announced four years ago that from 1st January 2008 all drivers must have a conforming clubhead and ensured that this was well publicised. Sufficient warning was given to allow players plenty of time to check and, if necessary, change their drivers. This rule applies to all golfers of all abilities and in all forms of play. The required specifications are set out in Appendix II, 5c of the new rule book and detailed lists of conforming and non-conforming driver heads may be found on the R & A website. In club golf it is the responsibility of each player to check that her equipment conforms to the Rules of Golf. Players taking part in County or National events should also check as to whether the Conditions of Competition include the Driving Club Condition. If so any driver used must be on the R & A’s ‘List of Conforming Driver Heads’. For more detailed information refer to the R & A website and in particular their ‘Frequently asked questions’ on this topic.
Space does not permit me to mention, let alone explain, every single rule change but I have highlighted those most likely to crop up in the normal course of play. For more detailed information refer to the R & A website and to ‘Principle Changes introduced in the 2008 code’ which you will find on page 6 in your new rule book. Always remember that the Rules of Golf exist to make the game fair for all players. The more familiar you become with the rules the more you will enjoy your golf.
Jenny McGahan
R & A qualified Rules Official
November 2007
Thanks Jenny for all the information
Thursday, November 15, 2007
CONGU Unified Handicap System 2008 -2011
The Council of National Golf Unions has published the CONGU® UHS (Unified Handicap System) 2008-2011 manual which is the result of substantial voluntary work of the Council Members during the last four years.
The Council of National Golf Unions (CONGU) is the governing body for handicapping matters in Great Britain & Ireland and is comprised of members from the men’s and ladies’ Golf Unions/Associations in England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales with additional representatives from The R&A and the LGU.
The UHS 2004-2007 manual included, for the first time, a unified approach for handicapping men and ladies under the same system. The 2008 UHS has built on this success and has been expanded to include a number of new concepts. These include Supplementary Scores, Nine Hole Handicap Competitions, a separate CSS calculation for “Home” and “Away” players in Open Competitions and assistance for handicap committees in carrying out the time consuming Annual Handicap Review (AHR). The manual has been totally revised to make it more user friendly to clubs and their members by placing the clauses in a more logical order and adding explanations to relevant clauses (in a blue shaded area) to clarify the system.
The section on Supplementary Scores has been included to assist golfers who, for whatever reason, play in few or no competitions each year, by allowing them to return cards outside competitions for handicap purposes. At the discretion of affiliated clubs, a limited number of Nine-Hole qualifying competitions may be run and such scores shall be used to adjust handicaps. This option is designed to attract more players into the Unified Handicapping System.
Common sense has always suggested that in Open Competitions, the ‘Away’ player is often at a disadvantage compared to the ‘Home’ player and subsequent statistical analysis showed this to be on average between one and two shots. Since this unfairly affects adjustments of handicaps, there will now be a separate Competition Scratch Score for ‘Home’ and ‘Away’ players to take account of this factor and to provide a more equitable basis for handicap alterations.
The CONGU® website – www.congu.com – is being updated to explain the changes and also to answer many queries about the UHS. The “Myths and Misconceptions” and “Frequently Asked Questions” sections should be of particular interest to the club golfer. All the constituent Unions/Associations websites have links to the CONGU® website.
CONGU believes that the revised manual and the incorporation of the new concepts will assist in meeting the demands of the modern game and the changing needs of club members.
The Council of National Golf Unions (CONGU) is the governing body for handicapping matters in Great Britain & Ireland and is comprised of members from the men’s and ladies’ Golf Unions/Associations in England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales with additional representatives from The R&A and the LGU.
The UHS 2004-2007 manual included, for the first time, a unified approach for handicapping men and ladies under the same system. The 2008 UHS has built on this success and has been expanded to include a number of new concepts. These include Supplementary Scores, Nine Hole Handicap Competitions, a separate CSS calculation for “Home” and “Away” players in Open Competitions and assistance for handicap committees in carrying out the time consuming Annual Handicap Review (AHR). The manual has been totally revised to make it more user friendly to clubs and their members by placing the clauses in a more logical order and adding explanations to relevant clauses (in a blue shaded area) to clarify the system.
The section on Supplementary Scores has been included to assist golfers who, for whatever reason, play in few or no competitions each year, by allowing them to return cards outside competitions for handicap purposes. At the discretion of affiliated clubs, a limited number of Nine-Hole qualifying competitions may be run and such scores shall be used to adjust handicaps. This option is designed to attract more players into the Unified Handicapping System.
Common sense has always suggested that in Open Competitions, the ‘Away’ player is often at a disadvantage compared to the ‘Home’ player and subsequent statistical analysis showed this to be on average between one and two shots. Since this unfairly affects adjustments of handicaps, there will now be a separate Competition Scratch Score for ‘Home’ and ‘Away’ players to take account of this factor and to provide a more equitable basis for handicap alterations.
The CONGU® website – www.congu.com – is being updated to explain the changes and also to answer many queries about the UHS. The “Myths and Misconceptions” and “Frequently Asked Questions” sections should be of particular interest to the club golfer. All the constituent Unions/Associations websites have links to the CONGU® website.
CONGU believes that the revised manual and the incorporation of the new concepts will assist in meeting the demands of the modern game and the changing needs of club members.
Wednesday, November 07, 2007
The 2007 AGM
The RLCGA County AGM was held at Haggs Castle Golf Club this evening and approximately 50 members attended
The meeting was opened by Captain Beth who held 1 minutes silence in memory of Kathleen McNeil our Honorary Life President who died last December
Reports were given by Jane Thomson (Secretary) and Audrey Sturgess (Treasurer). This was followed by Gillian Kyle who then gave a very interesting Junior Report --- click on this link to read all about it
Captain Beth then gave her annual report ---
She opened her report by saying she was sorry to announce the deaths of following County members Lily Green (Bonnyton), Alison McPherson (Whitecraigs) & Doreen Shaw (Williamwood).
She then thanked Karyn Burns for coaching the team again this year and for her help over the past two years.
The course rating team has rated all the courses in Renfrewshire. Maureen Mitchell (Cathcart Castle) has resigned as team leader and the other, Maureen Mitchell (The Old Course Ranfurly) has kindly agreed to take over this position. Beth thanked all their course rating team members for all the work they had done.
She then continued:-
The web site continues to thrive with over 100,000 hits. Carol is always looking for ways to improve it by adding new facilities. This year she has added a new web area for news around the West of Scotland – at www.westscotlandladiesgolf.com Please encourage the appropriate person at your club to send a copy of your clubs results to webmaster@rlcga.com at the same time as sending them to the Glasgow Herald. Carol also had a trial for online entry for competitions. She would like to thank all who participated. Unfortunately due to such small numbers of entries into competitions we are unlikely to proceed with this at this time.
Carol is always looking for news. You can become a ‘blogger’ ask Carol about this later or send it through the website via the “Send me News” link. We all appreciate your hard work Carol – Thank you.
We held a successful dinner in March with Sir Craig Reedie being our guest speaker. Craig was excellent and our Vice Captain didn’t let us down with a witty Vote of Thanks.
The Team Squad had a bowling night at Escape followed by a meal to help team bonding. The star bowler was Megan Briggs!
As part of the team training we had a match against the Eastwood Youth team which we lost 3 /0.
The Winter Foursomes final was played at Eastwood Golf between Roisin Black and June Lockhart (both Gleddoch) and Gillian Kyle and Eva Thomson (both East Renfrewshire). Roisin and June were the winners playing excellent golf.
The Championship was played at Erskine. Donna Jackson was the leading qualifier with a 74- 2 under the CSS and the winner of the Peggy Clark Rosebowl. There was a smaller entry partly due to the West of Scotland Veteran Association Spring meeting being played on the same day. The fixture cards are now becoming so crowded it is very hard to avoid these clashes, but we will try in future.
Donna Jackson lost to Megan Briggs by 4/3 in the first semi final and Clare-Marie Carlton beat Gillian Kyle 3/1 in the other.
The final was a very closely fought match with Megan winning for the second year beating Clare-Marie by only one hole.
Thanks go to Erskine for the courtesy of their course over the three days and to Christeen for organising the event.
The West of Scotland Championship was played at Drumpellier. It was cut to one round due to the atrocious weather conditions – hail, rain and sun shine! Renfrewshire were well represented but did not feature in the prize list.
The Scottish Ladies (Close) Championship was played at Barassie in May. Several of our players played, with Megan Briggs being 3rd qualifier. She unfortunately went out in the first round of the matchplay stages. Gillian Kyle, Eilidh Briggs and Gillian McGinlay all qualified for the Clark Rosebowl, with Gillian Kyle making it through to the quarter finals.
The West of Scotland Inter County Matches were played at Prestwick St Nicholas 9th – 11th July. We finished in 3rd place. Renfrewshire were represented by Eilidh Briggs (Kilmacolm), Megan Briggs (Kilmacolm), Clare-Marie Carlton (Fereneze), Donna Jackson (Cochrane Castle), Gillian Kyle (East Renfrewshire) Gillian Mullen (Paisley), Gillian McGinlay (Cochrane Castle) and Julie Wilson (Williamwood)
A special thank you to Julie and Gillian Mullen for playing at such short notice.
We won on the 1st day beating Ayrshire 5/4, lost to Dunbartonshire & Argyll 5/4 on the 2nd day and lost to Ayrshire 5/4 on the 3rd day. All very close games and each could have gone either way. The team performed well as we had a depleted team with Kate O’Sullivan and Lesley Robertson both having called off due to work and illness.
Megan had an outstanding tournament being the only player to win all six points. Clare-Marie also did extremely well with five points. They were the best players in the tournament.
I would like to thank Kay Black for taking the roll of Caddy Mistress and all the ladies who caddied and supported the team.
The Rosebowl final was played at Eastwood and was won by Lorraine Morrow (Erskine) beating Lindsay Mathie (Cochrane Castle) 2/1. There were no supporters only a referee! It would be nice to have a little support at the finals of our trophies so I hope that there might be some spectators next year.
I would like to thank Eastwood for giving us the courtesy for both the Winter Foursomes and The Rosebowl finals.
We have had many success stories this year. Megan Briggs our champion has been a star.
Megan was runner up in the Scottish Girls Championship and managed a hole-in-one in the semi final. She played in the winning Girls Home International Team. She teamed up with Kelsey MacDonald to win the International Team Trophy at the Belgian Junior International Championship.
Megan won the Munross trophy, was runner up in the Leveret Trophy and 3rd in the Ness Trophy. She played for a LGU team against a Vagliano Trophy Select team
She and Matthew Clark were runner-up in the Scottish mixed foursomes.
In September she won her first full cap after being selected to play for Scotland at the Home Internationals at Dunbar. Scotland finished runners up to England.
Eilidh Briggs won the Scottish under 14 championship and played for the Scottish Girls under 16 team. She won the LGU Medal West Division Final and was 1st Silver at the Grand Final at Crieff Golf Club.
Clare-Marie Carlton graduated this year from Stirling University. She was 3rd in the Mackie Rosebowl, 4th in the British Universities Strokeplay and made the cut for the final round of the Helen Holm & finished with a creditable 235.
Honorary member Maureen Richmond (Royal Liverpool) was runner up in the Spanish Open and was 3rd in the doubles with Barbara Biggart.
Barbara Biggart and Jennifer Mack both qualified for the matchplay stages of the Scottish Seniors Championship.
Jennifer Mack was runner-up in the Scottish Veteran Ladies Golf Association (West Division) Championship.
Gillian McGinlay and Maureen Woodhead, formerly Skinner (Gourock) won the scratch at the West of Scotland Inter County Foursomes Finals with Donna Jackson and Alyson McGinnigle finishing third. Shirley McKnight and Valerie MacKinnon won 3rd handicap.
Sara Harman, who got married this year, found time to play golf and equalled Aileen Wilson’s course record at Williamwood with a 69.
Congratulations to all those were successful in Open Days and everyone who won their club championships. I would like to commiserate with the runners up.
Jennifer Jenkins once again this year captained the European Girls Team.
On the administration side Pamela Mackenzie is Chairman of County Golf on the SLGA Board of Directors
Scottish Veteran Ladies Golf Association (West Division) Committee, Renfrewshire are well represented. Pat Walker is Captain, Sheila Goudie is Secretary and Lilias Snodgrass is the Treasurer.
Renfrewshire have 5 members in the SLGA training squads. Megan Briggs, is in the National Ladies A Squad, Eilidh Briggs and Clare-Marie Carlton are in the National Ladies C Squad as Gillian mentioned Alyson McKechin (Elderslie) is in the Development Squad and Maureen Richmond was in the Senior Squad.
and Finally:-
She asked Eilidh Briggs, Gillian Mullen and Julie Wilson, who were selected and played from the County team this year to come forward to receive their team brooches. Both Gillian and Julie had sent their apologies
Beth then presented Christeen Finlayson with her Captains badge
Christeen then told us of the following changes in the committee:
Retiring from the committee are Fiona Roger (Ranfurly Castle), Eleanor Bremner (Whitecraigs) and Dorothy Yates (Cowglen). Secretary Jane Thomson (Whitecraigs) and Junior Secretary Gillian Kyle (East Renfrewshire) also retire
New to the committee are Lorraine Morrow (Erskine), Sally Smyth (Ranfurly Castle) and Morag Little (Whitecraigs)
New Vice Captain - Trish Brown (Kilmacolm) Trish comes from a well known golfing family, is a Past Lady Captain of Kilmacolm and she is, at present, on the West of Scotland Girls Golfing Association.
New Secretary - Morag Turner Kilmacolm) Morag has wide secretarial experience, is a Past Lady Captain of Kilmacolm and has recently retired from the General Kilmacolm Committee.
Junior Secretary - Wilma Leburn (nee Aitken) of The Old Course Ranfurly. Wilma is a Past Chairman of the West of Scotland Girls Golfing Association; she has won the Helen Holm twice; played in the Vagliano Team twice; played in the Curtis Cup in 1982; and has been a Scottish Ladies Internationalist for four years. She also is in the Guinness Book of Records for having 9 consecutive birdies in a round . This happened 25 years ago in the Riccarton Rosebowl at Hamilton Golf Club. It has been equalled by professional Beth Daniel but has been never equalled or bettered by any man !!
Results Secretary - Freda Tuck
In charge of Sweaters - Sally Smyth
Caddy Mistress - Kay Black
Honorary President Wendy Cameron then presented the prizes . To see all the winners click on this link RLCGA 2007 Prizewinners.
Past Captain Aileen Wilson gave the vote of thanks
Coffee, tea, wine and chat were enjoyed by all at the close of the meeting
The meeting was opened by Captain Beth who held 1 minutes silence in memory of Kathleen McNeil our Honorary Life President who died last December
Reports were given by Jane Thomson (Secretary) and Audrey Sturgess (Treasurer). This was followed by Gillian Kyle who then gave a very interesting Junior Report --- click on this link to read all about it
Captain Beth then gave her annual report ---
She opened her report by saying she was sorry to announce the deaths of following County members Lily Green (Bonnyton), Alison McPherson (Whitecraigs) & Doreen Shaw (Williamwood).
She then thanked Karyn Burns for coaching the team again this year and for her help over the past two years.
The course rating team has rated all the courses in Renfrewshire. Maureen Mitchell (Cathcart Castle) has resigned as team leader and the other, Maureen Mitchell (The Old Course Ranfurly) has kindly agreed to take over this position. Beth thanked all their course rating team members for all the work they had done.
She then continued:-
The web site continues to thrive with over 100,000 hits. Carol is always looking for ways to improve it by adding new facilities. This year she has added a new web area for news around the West of Scotland – at www.westscotlandladiesgolf.com Please encourage the appropriate person at your club to send a copy of your clubs results to webmaster@rlcga.com at the same time as sending them to the Glasgow Herald. Carol also had a trial for online entry for competitions. She would like to thank all who participated. Unfortunately due to such small numbers of entries into competitions we are unlikely to proceed with this at this time.
Carol is always looking for news. You can become a ‘blogger’ ask Carol about this later or send it through the website via the “Send me News” link. We all appreciate your hard work Carol – Thank you.
We held a successful dinner in March with Sir Craig Reedie being our guest speaker. Craig was excellent and our Vice Captain didn’t let us down with a witty Vote of Thanks.
The Team Squad had a bowling night at Escape followed by a meal to help team bonding. The star bowler was Megan Briggs!
As part of the team training we had a match against the Eastwood Youth team which we lost 3 /0.
The Winter Foursomes final was played at Eastwood Golf between Roisin Black and June Lockhart (both Gleddoch) and Gillian Kyle and Eva Thomson (both East Renfrewshire). Roisin and June were the winners playing excellent golf.
The Championship was played at Erskine. Donna Jackson was the leading qualifier with a 74- 2 under the CSS and the winner of the Peggy Clark Rosebowl. There was a smaller entry partly due to the West of Scotland Veteran Association Spring meeting being played on the same day. The fixture cards are now becoming so crowded it is very hard to avoid these clashes, but we will try in future.
Donna Jackson lost to Megan Briggs by 4/3 in the first semi final and Clare-Marie Carlton beat Gillian Kyle 3/1 in the other.
The final was a very closely fought match with Megan winning for the second year beating Clare-Marie by only one hole.
Thanks go to Erskine for the courtesy of their course over the three days and to Christeen for organising the event.
The West of Scotland Championship was played at Drumpellier. It was cut to one round due to the atrocious weather conditions – hail, rain and sun shine! Renfrewshire were well represented but did not feature in the prize list.
The Scottish Ladies (Close) Championship was played at Barassie in May. Several of our players played, with Megan Briggs being 3rd qualifier. She unfortunately went out in the first round of the matchplay stages. Gillian Kyle, Eilidh Briggs and Gillian McGinlay all qualified for the Clark Rosebowl, with Gillian Kyle making it through to the quarter finals.
The West of Scotland Inter County Matches were played at Prestwick St Nicholas 9th – 11th July. We finished in 3rd place. Renfrewshire were represented by Eilidh Briggs (Kilmacolm), Megan Briggs (Kilmacolm), Clare-Marie Carlton (Fereneze), Donna Jackson (Cochrane Castle), Gillian Kyle (East Renfrewshire) Gillian Mullen (Paisley), Gillian McGinlay (Cochrane Castle) and Julie Wilson (Williamwood)
A special thank you to Julie and Gillian Mullen for playing at such short notice.
We won on the 1st day beating Ayrshire 5/4, lost to Dunbartonshire & Argyll 5/4 on the 2nd day and lost to Ayrshire 5/4 on the 3rd day. All very close games and each could have gone either way. The team performed well as we had a depleted team with Kate O’Sullivan and Lesley Robertson both having called off due to work and illness.
Megan had an outstanding tournament being the only player to win all six points. Clare-Marie also did extremely well with five points. They were the best players in the tournament.
I would like to thank Kay Black for taking the roll of Caddy Mistress and all the ladies who caddied and supported the team.
The Rosebowl final was played at Eastwood and was won by Lorraine Morrow (Erskine) beating Lindsay Mathie (Cochrane Castle) 2/1. There were no supporters only a referee! It would be nice to have a little support at the finals of our trophies so I hope that there might be some spectators next year.
I would like to thank Eastwood for giving us the courtesy for both the Winter Foursomes and The Rosebowl finals.
We have had many success stories this year. Megan Briggs our champion has been a star.
Megan was runner up in the Scottish Girls Championship and managed a hole-in-one in the semi final. She played in the winning Girls Home International Team. She teamed up with Kelsey MacDonald to win the International Team Trophy at the Belgian Junior International Championship.
Megan won the Munross trophy, was runner up in the Leveret Trophy and 3rd in the Ness Trophy. She played for a LGU team against a Vagliano Trophy Select team
She and Matthew Clark were runner-up in the Scottish mixed foursomes.
In September she won her first full cap after being selected to play for Scotland at the Home Internationals at Dunbar. Scotland finished runners up to England.
Eilidh Briggs won the Scottish under 14 championship and played for the Scottish Girls under 16 team. She won the LGU Medal West Division Final and was 1st Silver at the Grand Final at Crieff Golf Club.
Clare-Marie Carlton graduated this year from Stirling University. She was 3rd in the Mackie Rosebowl, 4th in the British Universities Strokeplay and made the cut for the final round of the Helen Holm & finished with a creditable 235.
Honorary member Maureen Richmond (Royal Liverpool) was runner up in the Spanish Open and was 3rd in the doubles with Barbara Biggart.
Barbara Biggart and Jennifer Mack both qualified for the matchplay stages of the Scottish Seniors Championship.
Jennifer Mack was runner-up in the Scottish Veteran Ladies Golf Association (West Division) Championship.
Gillian McGinlay and Maureen Woodhead, formerly Skinner (Gourock) won the scratch at the West of Scotland Inter County Foursomes Finals with Donna Jackson and Alyson McGinnigle finishing third. Shirley McKnight and Valerie MacKinnon won 3rd handicap.
Sara Harman, who got married this year, found time to play golf and equalled Aileen Wilson’s course record at Williamwood with a 69.
Congratulations to all those were successful in Open Days and everyone who won their club championships. I would like to commiserate with the runners up.
Jennifer Jenkins once again this year captained the European Girls Team.
On the administration side Pamela Mackenzie is Chairman of County Golf on the SLGA Board of Directors
Scottish Veteran Ladies Golf Association (West Division) Committee, Renfrewshire are well represented. Pat Walker is Captain, Sheila Goudie is Secretary and Lilias Snodgrass is the Treasurer.
Renfrewshire have 5 members in the SLGA training squads. Megan Briggs, is in the National Ladies A Squad, Eilidh Briggs and Clare-Marie Carlton are in the National Ladies C Squad as Gillian mentioned Alyson McKechin (Elderslie) is in the Development Squad and Maureen Richmond was in the Senior Squad.
and Finally:-
She asked Eilidh Briggs, Gillian Mullen and Julie Wilson, who were selected and played from the County team this year to come forward to receive their team brooches. Both Gillian and Julie had sent their apologies
Beth then presented Christeen Finlayson with her Captains badge
Christeen then told us of the following changes in the committee:
Retiring from the committee are Fiona Roger (Ranfurly Castle), Eleanor Bremner (Whitecraigs) and Dorothy Yates (Cowglen). Secretary Jane Thomson (Whitecraigs) and Junior Secretary Gillian Kyle (East Renfrewshire) also retire
New to the committee are Lorraine Morrow (Erskine), Sally Smyth (Ranfurly Castle) and Morag Little (Whitecraigs)
New Vice Captain - Trish Brown (Kilmacolm) Trish comes from a well known golfing family, is a Past Lady Captain of Kilmacolm and she is, at present, on the West of Scotland Girls Golfing Association.
New Secretary - Morag Turner Kilmacolm) Morag has wide secretarial experience, is a Past Lady Captain of Kilmacolm and has recently retired from the General Kilmacolm Committee.
Junior Secretary - Wilma Leburn (nee Aitken) of The Old Course Ranfurly. Wilma is a Past Chairman of the West of Scotland Girls Golfing Association; she has won the Helen Holm twice; played in the Vagliano Team twice; played in the Curtis Cup in 1982; and has been a Scottish Ladies Internationalist for four years. She also is in the Guinness Book of Records for having 9 consecutive birdies in a round . This happened 25 years ago in the Riccarton Rosebowl at Hamilton Golf Club. It has been equalled by professional Beth Daniel but has been never equalled or bettered by any man !!
Results Secretary - Freda Tuck
In charge of Sweaters - Sally Smyth
Caddy Mistress - Kay Black
Honorary President Wendy Cameron then presented the prizes . To see all the winners click on this link RLCGA 2007 Prizewinners.
Past Captain Aileen Wilson gave the vote of thanks
Coffee, tea, wine and chat were enjoyed by all at the close of the meeting
Saturday, October 13, 2007
County Team player Sara gets Married
Hi Everyone :
We were married in my home village of Northam in North Devon on the 15th September and had a perfect day.
We were then lucky enough to spend a three week honeymoon in Australia.
My married name is Sara McCorkell.
Friday, October 12, 2007
Fixture Diary 2008
Secretary Jane Thomson has just sent me the Fixture Diary for 2008
To see some more fixtures for 2008 Click here:
2008 Golf Calendar
| RLCGA Events plus some other outside events | Course | Dates (2008) |
| County Championship | Bonnyton | Tue/Wed/Thu 15th - 17th April 2008 |
| Spring Meeting | Gleddoch | Tues 20th May 2008 |
| Autumn Meeting | Cathcart Castle | Mon 1st Sept 2008 |
| Foursomes | Ranfurly Castle | Wed. 30th April 2008 |
| April Medal | Cochrane Castle | Wed 9th April 2008 |
| June Medal (2007 Medal Finals) | Fereneze | Thur. 5th June 2008 9.00 – 11.00 |
| July Medal (Junior Medal) | Cowglen | Thu 3rd July 2008 |
| August Medal | Paisley | Wed. 6th August 10.00 – 1.00 pm |
| September Medal | Renfrew | Thu 11th September 2008 |
| Winter Foursomes | Various | Closing Date - Sat 25th September 2008 |
| Helen Holm | Troon | Fri – Sun 25th – 27th April |
| West of Scotland Championship | HAGGS CASTLE | Sunday 18th May 2008 |
| Scottish Ladies Close Championship | LOSSIEMOUTH | 13th - 17th May 2008 |
| Inter County Foursomes Final | EAST KILBRIDE (Nerston) | Wed 21 May 2008 |
| Curtis Cup | St. Andrews | 30th May – 1st June 2008 |
| L.G.U.Challenge Bowls | Hilton Park | Thu. 5th June 2008 |
| Kennedy Salver | Dalmilling G C Ayr | |
| West Inter County Matches | Hilton Park | Mon Tue Wed 23rd 24th 25th June 2008 |
| Scottish Senior Ladies' Championship | Deeside | 29 July – 1 Aug 2008 |
| Scottish Ladies' Foursomes | Brunston Castle | Sun 17th August 2008 |
| County Open Meeting | Loch Maben | Tue 19th August 2008 |
| RLCGA Junior Stableford | Whitecraigs | Sun 14th September 2008 |
| Scottish County Finals | Inchmarlo | Fri Sat Sun19th - 21st September 2008 |
| Commonwealth Spoons Final | Torwoodlee Galashiels | Thu 25th September 2008 |
| AGM | Haggs Castle GC | Wednesday 5th November 7.30 p.m. |
To see some more fixtures for 2008 Click here:
2008 Golf Calendar
Wednesday, October 10, 2007
Linsey and Natasha does well in the Junior Masters Competition
Linsey Stevenson (Elie & Earlsferry and Whitecraigs),and Natasha Qayum (Ranfurly Castle)did well at Gleneagles on Sunday 7th October in the Young Junior Masters competition on the Queens Course.
Leading Scores:
Par 74. CSS 73.
41 C Tait (St Regulus Ladies) (10), F Milne (Glen) (20).
39 K Ward (Glen) (13).
37 N Taylor (Thornton) (14).
36 C Jaffrey (West Kilbride) (23)
35 G Simpson (Murrayfield) (5).
34 L Stevenson (Elie & Earlsferry) (14). K Scott (Windyhill) (12), F Fullerton (Huntly) (12), N Qayum (Ranfurly Castle) (9).
Leading Scores:
Par 74. CSS 73.
41 C Tait (St Regulus Ladies) (10), F Milne (Glen) (20).
39 K Ward (Glen) (13).
37 N Taylor (Thornton) (14).
36 C Jaffrey (West Kilbride) (23)
35 G Simpson (Murrayfield) (5).
34 L Stevenson (Elie & Earlsferry) (14). K Scott (Windyhill) (12), F Fullerton (Huntly) (12), N Qayum (Ranfurly Castle) (9).
Monday, October 08, 2007
Kate Hamilton wins the 2007 Campbell Clock
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| Campbell Clock 2007 |
Many thanks go to all the helpers on the day and to Whitecraigs Golf Club for the courtesy of the course.
CLICK ON THE PHOTO ABOVE TO SEE SOME PHOTOS OF THE DAY AND A SHORT VIDEO AT THE END WHEN PHYLLIS NOBLE THE WHITECRAIGS CAPTAIN SAYS A FEW WORDS !!
Saturday, October 06, 2007
SLGA Roadshow - Future Structure and Governance
The SLGA has been holding a series of road shows on its future structure and governance.The venues in the West of Scotland: have been: Hamilton GC, Douglas Park GC and Prestwick St Nicholas GC,
The last of the SLGA Road Shows to be held in the West of Scotland on its future structure and governance was held Haggs Castle Golf Club on Thursday 4th October. Pamela MacKenzie who is Chairman of County Golf introduced the meeting and Shona Malcolm who is chairman of the SLGA Business Development Group held the presentation.
Shona is also on the One Plan for Golf Steering Group, an SLGA Board Member and sits on the clubgolf Board to represent the interests of the SLGA - She is also an LGU Councillor. A very interesting and informative meeting took place with plenty of discussion at the end
To read and see all the topics discussed click on this link SLGA Presentation
If you have any queries on the content of the roadshow, or indeed if any of our readers have queries, please Email
Shona Malcolm and she will try to address them
Monday, October 01, 2007
Juniors lose to Lanarkshire
Lanarkshire Junior Team beat Renfrewshire Junior Team 4-1 at East Renfrewshire on Sunday 30th September 2007
Results-Renfrewshire names first-
Alyson McKechin beat Gillian Scanlan 4 and 3
Lesley Cosh lost to Emma Caddow 2 and 1
Saorcha Warren lost to Abigail Glikstein 3 and 1
Heather Howie lost to Jennifer Black 2 and 1
Samantha Cowan lost to Nicole Benson 2 and 1
Final score Renfrewshire 1 - Lanarkshire 4
Thanks go to Margaret Noblett (Lanarkshire Junior Secretary) for the Photos ---- click on each photo for an enlargement
Thursday, September 13, 2007
Autumn Meeting over Ralston
Played 13th September 2007, 29 entrants, SSS:71 CSS:73
Scratch: Barbara Biggart (Kilmacolm) 81
Scratch - 12 Handicap1st Fiona Roger (Ranfurly Castle) 84-12-72
2nd Barbara Biggart (Kilmacolm) 81-7-74
3rd Patricia Davidson (Erskine) 83-8-75 bih
13 Handicap upwards
1st Sheila Shaw (Lochwinnoch) 85-15-70
2nd Vivien Young (Cochrane Castle) 89-18-71
3rd Linda Hay (Eastwood) 92-15-77
Scratch: Barbara Biggart (Kilmacolm) 81
Scratch - 12 Handicap1st Fiona Roger (Ranfurly Castle) 84-12-72
2nd Barbara Biggart (Kilmacolm) 81-7-74
3rd Patricia Davidson (Erskine) 83-8-75 bih
13 Handicap upwards
1st Sheila Shaw (Lochwinnoch) 85-15-70
2nd Vivien Young (Cochrane Castle) 89-18-71
3rd Linda Hay (Eastwood) 92-15-77
Tuesday, September 04, 2007
September County Medal - Greenock
Played 4th September 2007, 25 entrants, SSS 71, CSS 71
Scratch: Maureen Woodhead (Gourock) 79 bih
Scratch - 12 Handicap
1st Morag Turner (Kilmacolm) 81-11-70
2nd Linda McDougall (Greenock) 80-8-72 bih
3rd Beth Paterson ( Eastwood) 79-7-72
13 Handicap upwards
1st Jean Smith (Cathcart Castle) 85-15-70
2nd Russell Crawford (Erskine) 88-14-74 bih
3rd Anita McMillan (Erskine) 91-17-74
Scratch: Maureen Woodhead (Gourock) 79 bih
Scratch - 12 Handicap
1st Morag Turner (Kilmacolm) 81-11-70
2nd Linda McDougall (Greenock) 80-8-72 bih
3rd Beth Paterson ( Eastwood) 79-7-72
13 Handicap upwards
1st Jean Smith (Cathcart Castle) 85-15-70
2nd Russell Crawford (Erskine) 88-14-74 bih
3rd Anita McMillan (Erskine) 91-17-74
Saturday, August 25, 2007
Megan wins the Leading Team Score in Belgium
Scottish golfing teenagers Kelsey and Megan played brilliantly in the Belgian Junior International Championship which ended at the Royal Golf Club of Belgium in Brussels today.
First, Kelsey MacDonald, a 16-year-old from Nairn, finished runner-up in the girls’ championship – and won the Girls’ International Team Trophy in partnership with Megan Briggs (Kilmacolm).
RLCGA's Megan Briggs, beaten by Carly Booth in the final of the Scottish Under-18 girls match-play championship at Peterhead last month, had scores of 80, 75, 75 and 77 for 307. She finished tied 16th.
Kelsey and Megan’s combined scores gave them winning total of 600 in the girls’ international team trophy event. They finished two shots ahead of South Africa’s Kim Williams & Monique Smith
LEADING GIRLS' INDIVIDUAL TOTALS
284 Alessia Knight (Ita) 72 69 72 71.
293 Kelsey MacDonald (Sco) 75 73 72 73.
295 Rebecca Huber (Swi) 76 72 73 74.
299 Lorena De Lope (Spa) 76 76 76 71.
300 Kim Williams (SAf) 75 71 76 78.
Other scores:
307 Megan Briggs (Sco) 80 75 75 77 (jt 16th).
318 Ciara Butler (Ire) 82 76 78 83 (jt 26th).
319 Lucy Simpson (Ire) 82 76 78 83 (28th).
LEADING GIRLS' TEAM TOTALS
600 Scotland (Kelsey MacDonald & Megan Briggs).
602 South Africa (Kim Williams & Monique Smith).
606 Belgium (V Gevers & L Gonzalez-Escallon).
Other placing:
637 Ireland (Ciara Butler & Lucy Simpson) (7th).
Tuesday, August 21, 2007
Megan Briggs selected for Home Internationals at Dunbar
Ther Scotland team for the Women's Home Internationals at Dunbar Golf Club from September 12 to 14 is:
CARLY BOOTH (Comrie)
MEGAN BRIGGS (Kilmacolm)
KELSEY MACDONALD (Nairn Dunbar)
LAURA MURRAY (Alford)
EMILY OGILVY (Muckhart)
PAMELA PRETSWELL (Bothwell Castle)
MICHELE THOMSON (McDonald Ellon)
JENNA WILSON (Strathaven
Reserves:
1 Louise KENNEY (Pitreavie)
2 Sara BISHOP (Cochrane Castle)
3 Rachael LIVINGSTONE (Musselburgh Old)
CARLY BOOTH (Comrie)
MEGAN BRIGGS (Kilmacolm)
KELSEY MACDONALD (Nairn Dunbar)
LAURA MURRAY (Alford)
EMILY OGILVY (Muckhart)
PAMELA PRETSWELL (Bothwell Castle)
MICHELE THOMSON (McDonald Ellon)
JENNA WILSON (Strathaven
Reserves:
1 Louise KENNEY (Pitreavie)
2 Sara BISHOP (Cochrane Castle)
3 Rachael LIVINGSTONE (Musselburgh Old)
Friday, August 17, 2007
Megan selected for LGU Squad
The LGU has named a squad of eight juniors to compete at North Berwick from 12 to 14 October against a selection of the players who were in the recent Vagliano Trophy match at St Andrews.
Scotland are represented by their Under-18 girls’ champion Carly Booth, Megan Briggs (Kilmacolm) the losing finalist in that championship at Peterhead, Sally Watson, 16, who played all four rounds in the recent Ricoh British Women’s Open, and Pamela Pretswell (Bothwell) the Lanarkshire women's champion.
Lisa Maguire, a 12-year-old Irish twin and one of the semi-finalists in the Girls’
Teams:
LGU JUNIOR SELECT
Carly Booth, Scotland
Megan Briggs, Scotland
Henrietta Brockway, England
Ellie Givens, England
Lisa Maguire, Ireland
Pamela Pretswell, Scotland
Kelly Tidy, England
Sally Watson, Scotland
Scotland are represented by their Under-18 girls’ champion Carly Booth, Megan Briggs (Kilmacolm) the losing finalist in that championship at Peterhead, Sally Watson, 16, who played all four rounds in the recent Ricoh British Women’s Open, and Pamela Pretswell (Bothwell) the Lanarkshire women's champion.
Lisa Maguire, a 12-year-old Irish twin and one of the semi-finalists in the Girls’
Teams:
LGU JUNIOR SELECT
Carly Booth, Scotland
Megan Briggs, Scotland
Henrietta Brockway, England
Ellie Givens, England
Lisa Maguire, Ireland
Pamela Pretswell, Scotland
Kelly Tidy, England
Sally Watson, Scotland
Tuesday, August 14, 2007
Natasha Qayum wins the Dunfermline Building Society Junior Masters
RLCGA's Natasha Qayum (Ranfurly Castle) won the Dunfermline Building Society Junior Masters west regional final at Ralston on Sunday. Her impressive tally of 36 points takes her to the Gleneagles final in October. Well done Natasha. More info and photos can be viewed on the SGU Web Site
Monday, August 13, 2007
Eilidh Briggs Wins the Tom Lehman Trophy
Recently Eilidh Briggs (Kilmacolm) won the Tom Lehman trophy played over Troon Lochgreen Golf Course. Eilidh scored a 77 against the CSS of 74. This result is one better than last year when Eilidh won the best nett prize. This trophy already has the name of Briggs on it with Megan having lifted the trophy 3 times. As Eilidh is only 13, the name Briggs could be on this trophy for several years to come.
The photo shows Eilidh with other prize winners and South Ayrshire Council's Provost, Winifred Sloan.
Monday, August 06, 2007
August Medal - Caldwell
Played 6th August 2007, 27 Entrants, SSS72, CSS72
Scratch: Heather Anderson (Troon Ladies) 76
Scr - 12 Handicap
1st Heather Anderson Troon Ladies 76 6 70
2nd June Lockhart Gleddoch 84 11 73
3rd Mo Neilson Greenock 84 10 74 bih
13 Handicap upwards
1st Julie Dickson Whitecraigs 93 19 74
2nd Irene Stewart Kilmacolm 91 16 75 bih
3rd Mary Gildea Caldwell 93 18 75
Scratch: Heather Anderson (Troon Ladies) 76
Scr - 12 Handicap
1st Heather Anderson Troon Ladies 76 6 70
2nd June Lockhart Gleddoch 84 11 73
3rd Mo Neilson Greenock 84 10 74 bih
13 Handicap upwards
1st Julie Dickson Whitecraigs 93 19 74
2nd Irene Stewart Kilmacolm 91 16 75 bih
3rd Mary Gildea Caldwell 93 18 75
Sunday, July 29, 2007
Clare- Marie is 3rd in the Mackie Rosebowl
Scottish champion Jenna Wilson from Strathaven won the Mackie Bowl SLGA 36-hole Order of Merit tournament for the second year in a row over the Gullane No 1 course today.
Jenna had scores of 70 and 78 for a level par aggregate of 148 in a freshening wind.
Clare-Marie Carlton (Fereneze), Claire Hargan (Mortonhall) and former Scottish title-holder Fiona Lockhart (St Regulus) all finished with an aggregate of 151.
Clare-Marie was officially placed third with the best first round of the trio (a 74). Claire Hargan's better last nine earned her third place ahead of Fiona Lockhart.
LEADING FINAL TOTALS
Par 148 (2 x 74). CSS 74 75.
148 J Wilson (Strathaven) 70 78.
150 L Murray (Alford) 71 79.
151 C-M Carlton (Fereneze) 77 74 (better second round), C Hargan (Mortonhall) 72 79 (better last nine), F Lockhart (St Regulus) 72 79.
152 V Melvin (Reunion, Florida) 73 79, R Niven (Crieff) 73 79.
153 M Thomson (McDonald Ellon) 77 76, C Macdonald (Gullane) 77 76.
154 M Briggs (Kilmacolm) 79 75
Megan Briggs (Kilmacolm) received an additional scratch prize for here second round of 75 (to players outwith main list):
Thanks go to Gillian Kirkwood for the report
Jenna had scores of 70 and 78 for a level par aggregate of 148 in a freshening wind.
Clare-Marie Carlton (Fereneze), Claire Hargan (Mortonhall) and former Scottish title-holder Fiona Lockhart (St Regulus) all finished with an aggregate of 151.
Clare-Marie was officially placed third with the best first round of the trio (a 74). Claire Hargan's better last nine earned her third place ahead of Fiona Lockhart.
LEADING FINAL TOTALS
Par 148 (2 x 74). CSS 74 75.
148 J Wilson (Strathaven) 70 78.
150 L Murray (Alford) 71 79.
151 C-M Carlton (Fereneze) 77 74 (better second round), C Hargan (Mortonhall) 72 79 (better last nine), F Lockhart (St Regulus) 72 79.
152 V Melvin (Reunion, Florida) 73 79, R Niven (Crieff) 73 79.
153 M Thomson (McDonald Ellon) 77 76, C Macdonald (Gullane) 77 76.
154 M Briggs (Kilmacolm) 79 75
Megan Briggs (Kilmacolm) received an additional scratch prize for here second round of 75 (to players outwith main list):
Thanks go to Gillian Kirkwood for the report
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